Saturday, May 19, 2007

Sullivan on Reynolds on Torture

I know that Glenn Reynolds probably doesn't need my defense, but Andrew Sullivan is going a bit bonkers in his zeal to attack Reynolds. Example: a post on Today's Daily Dish entitled Maguire and Reynolds on Torture. Money paragraph:

But what Reynolds and Maguire and others support is the permanent routine use of torture, legally protected, and a cadre of professional CIA torturers trained to do it on a regular basis.

Where the heck does that come from?

I find this a bit confusing, because Sullivan doesn't even link to an offending post on Reynolds' part. I mean, if somebody accused me of supporting the eating of Irish babies, I would appreciate at least a link to where I endorsed such a proposal. However, I think I know what Sullivan is talking about. Sullivan does link to this longish post by Tom Maguire, and Instapundit had linked to it earlier, so I guess that Sullivan's argument is a) Maguire endorses torture, and b) Reynolds agrees with Maguire.

I read Tom Maguire's offending post, and truth be told, I'm not sure what to make of it -- either the post Sullivan finds so objectionable or this one. I'm pretty sure I disagree with him, but his position takes more untangling than I'm willing to give it at the moment. In any case, I think he deserves more than a point-and-sputter condemnation. So let's put aside the question of whether Sullivan is being fair to Maguire.

That leaves part b) of Sullivan's argument: the notion that Reynolds agrees with Maguire.

Here's what Glenn Reynolds said:

TOM MAGUIRE LOOKS AT JOHN MCCAIN and the truth about torture.


I have omitted the link to Maguire's post, which I provided earlier. But other than that, I have quoted Reynolds' entire post, in full.

Reynolds doesn't say "Tom Maguire posts a really kick-ass defense of torture, and I agree with every jot and tittle of it. Nor does he say "great post by Tom Maguire." He said Maguire looked at the issue. Glenn Reynolds links to a lot of people, and sometimes he expresses agreement or disagreement, but other times he simply passes the link on.

Here's a thought: maybe Reynolds agrees with some aspects of Maguire's argument but disagrees with other aspects. Or maybe he read what Maguire had to say but didn't have time to give Maguire's argument careful consideration. Maybe he doesn't even have an opinion on Maguire's post.

I had this really novel idea: instead of reading every link as an endorsement, I thought I might actually read what Glenn Reynolds has to say about torture. So I went to Instapundit, and I typed "torture" into the "Search Instadpundit" box. I found this post linking to an article about Japan's "not-very-pretty" justice system, which features forced confessions. and this one, about torture in Egypt. This post might be (ahem) tortured into being pro-torture, but in fact all it is is an explantion of why something Megan McCardle said was not pro-torture.

And then there is this post which linked to Radley Balko's renunciation of his past support for torture. Reynolds made his own position plain:

Glad to have him join me in the anti-torture camp, which needs some sensible and non-hysterical members.

Ironically, that post is updated with a prior link to Sullivan, again accusing Reynolds of being pro-torture based solely on something he linked to without comment. What I didn't find were any posts that led me to believe that Reynolds supported torture.

I just don't get it. What is Reynolds' sin? Being insufficiently emotional about the issue? Not taking every opportunity to cast out heretics? Just what is it with Sullivan?

40 comments:

TM Lutas said...

It's quite simple, really. Sullivan is trying to mau mau Reynolds so he won't pass on links neutrally anymore. By imposing some pain, he hopes to modify future behavior. For me, the why of it is more of a mystery.

Anonymous said...

Sullivan needs an enemy, one that isn't a mere strawman, but a real,popular, and professional blogger he can attack to increase his own hit count. Glenn Reynolds is the one he's settled on, and whatever torturous misrepresentations of Reynolds' positions he must make, he will, under the assumption that his rising hit count proves him right.

Stephen said...

Actually Sullivan projects his own fascination with torture onto others, and then condemns it in them. Similarly he projects his own betrayals onto the President and then denounces him for what he himself does routinely. Sullivan's level of psychological immaturity renders his intellectual cogitations worthless.

JSF said...

I comment on who Sullivan's new friends are going to be in this post:
http://valley-of-the-shadow.blogspot.com/2007/05/rudy-ron-andrew-and-jason.html

It seems Sullivan does not like torturers, but is willing to sit down with Ant-semities. Interesting, no?

Anonymous said...

I'm pretty sure I disagree with him, but his position takes more untangling than I'm willing to give it at the moment.

I know the feeling.

As a supplemental guess, my post (and one linked by Glenn a few days earlier) had a swipe at Sullivan, so I suspect he was not approaching this in a spirit of open inquiry.

Tom Maguire

jaycaruso said...

Sullivan's smear is part and parcel of tactics performed by anti-Instapundit bloggers for some time.

Their view is, that if Glenn links to something and doesn't specifically write that he disagrees with it, then he must agree with it. After all, why would somebody link to something they didn't agree with??

It's intellectually lazy to do such a thing, but that's how it has been.

Lewke said...

The only time anyone pays any attention to Andrew Sullivan anymore is when he attacks someone else in hopes of getting a link. He's become increasing irrevelant over the past couple of years and it would be better if Reynolds, Kaus, etc could avoid being baited by him.

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